If I had to commute in and out of NY 5 days a week, theres no way I could handle it, so I feel you OP. Yes, for LA (and the SF Bay Area), that is indeed common. Its normal if you are going into West LA or OC (and that you are not going against traffic). It once took me 3 hours to drive the 15 miles from west LA to Torrance. Yeah, not only would a drive like that mess with my mental health, I would not be able to take it physically either. That's train, tube, walk and drive to the station. If it doesnt work or he says no, I think looking for another job or moving closer is the next step. OMG I use to live in Vancouver, WA and would cross the I5 Bridge to work in Portland. Just wanted to make the distinction re: commute norms :). You can consider public transit, I took the redline from the SF Valley into downtown for several years as part of my regular commute and I loved it, super convenient. Now lets imagine 1000 cars: the delay for the last car 2000 seconds if theres any stoppage whatsoever. Right now, I work from home, but the longest commute I can reasonably handle is 30 minutes. I would only move back to San Francisco if I could live AND work in the city. I know its not entirely the same but I avoid situations where I potentially could be harmed I know its somewhat over the top. I got tired of leaving 20 minutes early just in case (even though in the end my bike ride took the same amount of time, it was just more consistent). Also lived in LB, commuted to Newport/CDM. I did that for 10 years. The commute from north/south might be different. not trying to say you should walk instead, just emphasizing how silly that time is!). Hot, muggy, smoggy, YUCK. Google maps will give you a range for your route at different times of the day. I regret doing this to myself, so much. 30 miles where? I drove from Lombard to Deerfield 3x a week for 5 years, at least yours is sort of a straight shot. It is already better than Orange County(by far) and seems about as mobile and easy as Los Angeles, but with more trolleys and light rail, rather than subways and light rail like LA. It can be perfectly normal to have this commute in some locations, and some companies accommodate that (allowing flexibility for traffic jams/weather, offset working hours, working 4/10s.) Just because our public transit options in the Bay Area are better than the ones in LA doesnt mean our public transit options are actually good, though! I am his assistant and I understand bringing up flex hours for my role will 99% not work. I tell people the car I drive is not nearly nice enough to want to spend a significant portion of my life in it! Let me guess you drive the 405 every day? I also have trouble waking up in the mornings and have a pretty bad sense of how long certain things (showering, making coffee) will take me, so Im not cut out for getting up earlier to avoid traffic. Recruiters seem to get annoyed when I say a 1 hour commute outside the city + potential traffic each way is too much of a hassle. Home by 7-8PM I live in the Houston area (suburb & commute to the loop) and my job is 20 miles from me which is anywhere from 45 minutes- 1hr 15 minutes an an average day. You should really consider relocating to be closer if its the job you like or finding something closer to where you live. Any longer and I would start to really resent it cutting into my free time so much. It was a nightmare and I said I would NEVER do it again. I think your commute is longer than average for LA standards. Double-win! I know it sounds ridiculous but traffic doesnt clear up until like 7-8 pm so Id be home even later with the same-ish drive. That commute is costing you more than four hours a day stuck in traffic: It costs you the hours you would have spent preparing meals, doing errands, taking care of your house/apartment. One way!). More than 4 hours commute time! You are lucky your BF already thinks long commutes are normal so what does he care where he lives (presuming you even need to take his opinion into account at all). However I do have a lot of flexibility about WFH and hours (lots of early morning calls), so it all works pretty well for me. Oh, and Seattle native here, and I have to tell all you Seattle kids, the traffic in Seattle and surrounding communities is ALREADY as bad or worse than LA. Well done. But my boyfriend, who was born and raised in Orange County, keeps insisting a two-hour commute is normal. When hes gone on the train/tube it took him 2.5 hours. I worked in Sherman Oaks/Encino and lived in West Hollywood. I had a long distance job and I was able to survive through it with carpooling. On days where I have to drive through morning commute traffic to get to appointments and such, it makes me CRAZY. But I know LAs subway system isnt the best, so its not practical for every commute. Oh, I saw that you said it was Long Beach and working in WeHo. And there is nothing I can do about it. You're awake and nominally functional for 16 hours a day. I put >30,000 miles on it in those first two years. LA traffic is the worst. Even here in Denver, where I now live, the population boom has been so dramatic that the traffic is starting to look like L.A. at rush hour. So first of all, OP, you should not feel bad at all about having not realized how rough this would be. I imagine that in retail or food service, you are more likely to pick a job based on location, because theres not that many other differences between employers? Not quite three years and I missed warm sunny days more than I ever thought would be possible. In case you do think about moving: The first worst commute is Valley to west side, the second is San Gabriel Valley to Culver City area, and the third worst is south LA/Garden Grove/LB to anywhere north of DTLA, regardless of whether youre going east or west of DTLA. After several years, that got to be too much and left me feeling like I had no lifeand my schedule was way less draconian than yours! (Yeah, I said it. I dont think Id be able to handle more than half an hour driving. My commute is similar to Hannahs and yes, it is faster to cycle, so I do when the weather is good! I feel lame for being so picky, but thats a LOT of time out of your life! Most coworkers drove but some, including myself, took the train. I work in a pretty niche part of healthcare, and Im enduring it for the opportunity that provides. Having never been to LA, are there no backwwys to get from one side of town to the other is the interstate the only way to go? A bit longer than Id like, but far preferable than the hour-plus Id spend trying to get downtown. $3,600 a year in gas. Every. X-D. Oh dear god, you commute up from Long Beach?!? I dont think L.A. is even 30 miles wide. In the Greater Toronto Area, the GO Train now goes to Barrie, which is north of Toronto. LA is 469 sq. Im not sure what you think Im suggesting, but just to be extra clear: I understand Southern California traffic is bananas. Maybe a little more would be okay, but two hours, no way. Well the freeway goes over the Columbiaunless they create a much taller bridge it has to be a drawbridge. I dont EVER want to own a house (unless I miraculously come into enough money to buy it outright and have lots left over for taxes, maintenance, insurance, etc and to hire someone to oversee it all!) We were in Huntington Beach and decided to go to Hollywood. More time to read & crochet. Echoing what the others said I moved close to Hollywood for my first job which had a reasonable commute (15-20 min by car). 2 hour ride, changing, full 8 hour day, and repeat for the return. Its insane. Also a New Yorker. So we had three phones going all with different routes. Born and raised in LA so sorry about the culture shock! and most of it was fine. I just imagined the idea of renting one of those dreadful micro apartments that are essentially dorms with a built in hotplate for cooking. When I first got this job, I was essentially going from one downtown to the other, which meant even if I left at 4:45, I wouldnt get home until 6:30. My commute is 8 miles. On the road by 6AM Eventually, jobs like that started drying up and people have been moving out of IL since. I did take the bus up and back once when my car was in the shop. Its open season on the LA Freeway!, (I can quote every line of this movie. I actually have longer hours at my current job, but spend *less* time on work+commute. A good rule-of-thumb for LA is every 10 miles will take roughly 30-45 minutes of travel time. My parents are the same waysmall city folk who come to visit in my mid-size city and are like, Do we HAVE to drive downtown? And when Im home they encourage me not to go places during rush hour, which equals just steady, moving traffic. Many people here complain about long commutes, even those that use public transportation to get to and from work. Its not going to get any better. Have you tested the 2 hours on google maps? I am 100% surprised there were no bite marks in my steering wheel by the end of it. Spouse and I were in Bellevue before giving up and fleeing King County, and thoughts of 405 at rush hour, to and from Everett when one of us needed to catch the train north in the morning, still sends me into a cold sweat . Im sooo looking forward to it. Am I crazy? Ah, Id never go back to this huge commute. Those are now considered commutable distances, even though those are far away. I think the conclusion usually is that life is too short to suffer and waste that kind of time. In the early afternoon, traffic isnt bad and I can make it from Irvine to Pasadena in about an hour. Take subway. Great point. That being said, my husband isnt from here and will not commute more than 30 min. I also happen to live in a part of the city that is very conveniently located relative to the suburb where my office is located, and that was sheer luck. . Im a huge fan of Seanan McGuire, but I never listened to her October Daye series in audiobook / wont switch at this point for that series. From there, it's a simple matter to take your salary and factor in hard commuting costs, like gasoline (see a good guide here) - according to Salary.com, " the average employee incurs an annual "commuting gas" cost of $1,483 per year. one hour is my limit for commuting and I managed to make that work (although with a fair amount of compromise along the way). :-) Besides, I commute with my husband and we keep each other company during the drive. Lots of people who find the trade off of cheaper housing commute to be worth it. Doh! Incredibly poor condition of tracks? A minor accident can shut everything down and double commute times. What can you sustain long term without living in misery? As others have. In June my company is moving to a location five minutes from my house, and even though Ive been unhappy I quit my job hunt just for that reason. My commute at the previous job was 30 minutes or under (by car), but my work hours were at least 1 hour longer. I definitely think the key is less what does everyone in this area think is normal and more what am I willing to accept as part of my daily life. My own commute is 15 minutes and that includes a stop to get breakfast. Glad to hear youre getting bites right away hopefully theyre much closer to home! They built a whole light rail system, actually. I would imagine most people decline to work that far away from home precisely because it isnt a sustainable commute, thus keeping the average commute lower. I dont know anything about LA or LA traffic but to be fair, a 30 mile commute in the NYC area would also take FOREVER. Anything under an hour I am okay with. My dad had a 1.5 2 hour commute each way growing up (so, 25 years ago) in socal. Total travel time: 12 hours. Now Im back to an hour commute with daycare, but its not nearly as bad. Back then, there was very little traffic and I could do it in over an hour. Hes finally retiring this year.). It took me 45 minutes to come home. But a 2 hour commute in LA is not at all unusual. I started taking local roads, which didnt save me any time but did save my sanity because at least it wasnt stop and go. My car is 19 years old with over 100k miles, but still runs great because its been mostly long drives with not a lot of stop & go. Time is valuable, and spending it commuting sucks. I could never do more than 30-35 minutes. Completely agreed Im willing to pay more/live somewhere not as nice thats close to work because I get to actually be there. Los Angeles commuter reporting for duty! Yeah that isnt everywhere. That's why our strongest recommendation is to make the time to commute, even when you are working at home. Theres no bus/transit that does a straight line between home and work, so I either have to take one bus into downtown then switch to another to get to Soma, or take a bus downtown then walk 20 minutes. I know some people that do 1-1.5 hour commutes from outlaying rural areas into my city to work; employment options are scarce in really tiny towns and until they have another oil boom they wont get anything for their house. No regrets. For reference that will easily take you from Tucson to Phoenix. And as AAM said, normal or not, what can you handle? We moved, and now Im just a little too far to walk to the Metra stop by my new house. Two hours by car in traffic sounds utterly vile. Thats why people consider dating people who live on opposite ends of LA to be long-distance relationships. I learned that I am not good with long commutes so I have always chosen to live fairly close to where I work (in the same town). Because I guarantee you that 30 min is not an average commute for 30 miles ANYWHERE in LA at rush hour. To add another data point, I live in New England and drive from a small city in one state to a large city in another state. I would have guessed a bit higher. Joke was that it would take 45 minutes to get anywhere. I work in Costa Mesa and it takes me an hour (16 miles away). Even working in Hollywood was about 35-60 minutes depending on how bad the traffic was on any particular day, or if say, a house on a trailer was left on the side of the 101 for three months and the city couldnt figure out what to do with it. I used to drive from OC to Pasadena once a month to sell at the Rose Bowl flea market, but since that was at the literal crack of ass on a Sunday, there was NEVER any traffic! by foot : 30 minutes In New York, my commute, door to door, from Soho to Bushwick was about 35-45 minutes, which included a 20-minute subway ride. I listen to audio books that are young adult novels so its harder in my case to lose track. Youre not crazy. Never. I agree w/ Alison whether its normal or not has no bearing on whether it works for *you*. To be fair, Walnut Creek to San Jose/Peninsula is 45 min. Ive lived in L.A. all my life. My home is only 31 miles away from my office, and my commute takes me 1.5 hours door to door on a good day (no railroad or subway issues). Taking the train or local Staten Island bus, to the Staten Island ferry, to the Manhattan subway, could easily take two hours from south-shore Staten Island to midtown Manhattan if a subway was delayed or the ferry was running a modified schedule. And if you paid extra for the express bus, and there was an accident jamming up one of the highways or bridges it literally could take shorter to fly from JFK to Florida than to travel 15 or so miles from Staten Island to Manhattan. I cant imagine wasting 2-3 additional hours of my day just getting to/from work. I read about LA traffic before, but thought how bad can it REALLY be? even that is on the higher end of what i would prefer. OP has to decide if the weather and the job is worth the trade-off of time. 3 Strategies for Surviving a Long Commute. Another 15-20 minutes by shuttle, with wait times in between all, obviously. 101 to the 5 is what takes the longest. fully agree on the audiobooks it saves me from road rage on my commute! Even better, though, is riding my bike to workthen I dont have to go to the gym before or after. But that is an unimaginable luxury around here. I walk 1.5 miles to BART instead of taking the muni 4 blocks from my house. California traffic has long been the butt of jokes. It doesnt seem excessive compared to the commutes of others in my office. If you do move, give some thought to what would happen if traffic gets worse or patterns change, especially if youre buying property and couldnt move again easily. If she drives and traffic is good (no accidents), its 45-60 minutes. I remember how I felt about it two years after and can promise that compared to then I feel a lot more confident and comforable now (~5 years out). Its really all about what youre willing to trade for a shorter commute. Anyway, it is Very Uncool of him to hear your frustration and stress and downplay it like that. And I think the commute scene in the movie is hilariously semi-accurate. In the US it'd probably be considered living close to work! We decided we didnt want to pay 2-3x the housing costs that were paying now. LA is ok to visit, but I will never live there again. Absolutely, connections tend to be the issue with commutes on public transport. Im a recovering Staten Islander. Yeah easily if only once a week. The mitigating factor there was that I worked from home 2 days a week and had additional flexibility, otherwise it would have driven me insane. Occasionally I catch a bit of traffic heading out of my city, but Im going the opposite direction of most commuters so its rarely too bad. My aging brain just cant take the stress. A 2-hour commute is on the very high side of normal here. The other thing that's crucial is how many trains it takes (not relevant if you're driving, obvs). 1. mustang1 Guru Location London, UK 15 Jun 2022 #26 Yeah sure, why not. 2 hours of bad traffic sounds absolutely awful, and I personally would be looking for another job over it. It's quite a chunk out of your day. Weve been to LA on vacation several times and the traffic was a nightmare even when it wasnt rush hour. My actual work commute is short (god bless flyover country), but Ive done long drives a lot and 2 hours of driving on a rural NM back road is *so* much less stressful than 2 hours of driving in Austin. I live in Southern MD and commute to College Parkco-sign everything you said! I have friends who live in Orange County and have two hour commutes each way. I cant afford that because I dont make that much. Ive lived in SoCal for 48 of my 51 years. That's fine. I absolutely dont want to live where I work, not just bc of rent but also bc I am at the point in my life where I do not want to live that city struggle life new gig it is.I was in my last job for 5+ years so Im not worried about looking like a jumper or anything. This was something I did when I bought my place in CA. Good point about the roads! It is normal enough thoughI know several folks who commute that long or longer into Manhattan, Boston, etc. DC area is another one where new arrivals should really get local info about traffic before committing to a job and/or housing. (I get to keep whatever I dont spend.) But you are right, I definitely ignored the oh man, youre gonna drive THERE? Morning commute averages 40 minutes, can be as short as 30 and as long as 75. Thats the kind of analysis you have to undertake to avoid a 2-hour commute in that part of SoCal. Sometimes I would take the commuter bus into downtown, then hop on the Expo line to work. My sympathies OP. You have to move where the job is or its not feasible. Welcome to horrible LA traffic. There are lots of nice areas that arent super expensive, and it would immediately solve both of your commutes. For a city, 30 miles seems like a lot! 2 hours isnt normal, but its not unusual. Mmm, Ive been exposed to a fair amount of crime (professionally, not as a perp or victim, thankfully). Ive moved around quite a bit within my city with commutes ranging anywhere from 30 seconds (lived in the same building my office was in) to 45 minutes. If you find a job you really like, but with a long commute, then maybe your boyfriend should pick up and move to a new neighborhood with you. I have commuted from LB or South Pas to LAX/El Segundo, but I moved housing or office as quickly as possible. She creates really unique / weird worlds. Ive lived in Queens and Manhattan and have never had a commute less than one hour. Theres the concept of geographically undesirable and thats pretty much where you are. Commuting 1 to 2 days a week If you're a part-time commuter who needs to be in the office only once or twice a week, you can choose from a wide range of ticket types, based on the flexibility and affordability you need. It is a brutal commute. Noooo. My dad worked in Anaheim, 10, maybe 15 minute drive from home. Fullerton, Anaheim, Irvine and Santa Ana have Amtrak and metrolink as well as freeways. Haha, were not arguing! I live on the edge of Boston and have either worked in the city or had a reverse commute for a decade, but given the whimsical nature of Boston/suburban road layout and our subway system in relation to where my apartment actually is, the shortest commute Ive ever had has been 45 minutes door to door, usually closer to an hour. Plus side is that the commute then takes the place of regular (cardio) exercise in the schedule if thats a thing you do! But once I had to move out of the city (and out of King County entirely) to find affordable housing, my commute shot up to about 90 minutes on a good day, 2+ hours if there was weather or any accidents. So which one we shop at is based entirely on who is driving that day. Topping the list of metro areas with high rates of mega commuting are San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont, CA (2.06%), New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Island, NY-NJ-PA (1.90%), Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV (1.89%), Trenton-Ewing NJ Metropolitan Statistical Area (1.40%), and Los Angeles-Long Beach-Santa Ana, CA (1.25%). I dont recommend it as a long term option. Also, a norm in your region doesnt mean you have to have that commute if you live in that region. Maybe hell approve your working from home a couple days a week to a least cut down on the commute, or come up with another solution you havent thought of. Totally my own fault, I know. The commute is about 60-75 minutes with no traffic, but can be upwards of 2 hours in bad traffic. They qualify for the green stickers that allow you to use the carpool lane, even if youre driving solo. I carried brass knuckles at all times to make myself feel better, but I never had to use them. So commutes are very reasonable. I couldnt imagine driving that much. I got an apartment with a roommate 3 miles away from my office after that. It would be impossible now. I currently live and work in LB and on a good day, its 7 minutes from door to door. 2 hour commute twice a week; 2 hour commute twice a week. I used to have a 45 minute commute, which was absolutely unheard of for Ogden at the time. He had to take the 580 through the mountains to get to Fremont, which is a total bottleneck so it always sucked. 20-25 minute drive was the max Ive ever done and that was my hard limit. Theres the official Commuter Express routes run by LADOT, but many of the far-flung suburbs have a special express bus service to get people to LA (Foothill Transit comes to mind). Sigh! Good luck =), Break a leg! and looks at rates of extremely long commutes (which they define as over 90 minutes or over 50 miles) in different regions of the country. I will say I went from a 45 minute commute (including daycare) to now maybe 20 minutes at worse and from a 4X9/1X4 schedule to 5X8 schedule and love it way more. Im in Atlanta too. My manager flies in from another state one week out of the month. 3) Start looking for a new job closer to you (also may not be possible) I wont leave SoCal again til I shuffle off this mortal coil. Good luck, OP! (Okay, once a month theres the ferry schedule/Seattle traffic to plan around to get to Sea-Tac, but walking down the hall to the office the rest of the time more than makes up for it.). We live in a not-overly-big Midwestern city, but unfortunately the placement of the home we own and his workplace means he has a fairly miserable drive. Also, are there no public transport options at all where you live? RightIm in the DC area and the max I can handle is 60 minutes for a normal commute. The only way I see people make it work is to have jobs you can start really early like be in the office at 6:00 AM and leave work at 2:oo PM. Add in the higher tax rates, and general COL differences and wed have needed to literally double our household income to get roughly the same quality of life. Or Glendale to Long Beach. Absolutely brutal. My commute is 15 minutes on foot and Im willing to sacrifice a lot to keep things that way. My work allows me to flex my hours around my commute so that I never have to deal with rush hour. Im work in Milwaukee and live in the suburbs. I also knew many many people who commuted to the central valley from the Bay Area on a daily basis because thats where they could afford to buy a house and that could be two hours each way which sounded like a nightmare (the commute and cost of housing is why I no longer live in CA). You forgot all of the American citizens (from all over) with legal licenses who drive like utter shit. About half of the route is alongside parks so there are no street corners to negotiate. It depends on where you start and where you end up but I am not surprised. Ultimately, I had to change jobs because the commute was too much.). Inevitable 10-15 minute unexplained stop at Van Ness that seems to happen no matter what time (otherwise Id say its explained by directing train traffic). I also would caution your expectation of a fast recomp. Im one of the rare people who live in the same city as my employer, although only because I cant afford to move. Oops, I posted something else before I saw this. Infrequent trains that are rarely on schedule, over-populated stops that take 2-3x as long waiting for people who dont fit to step off. I pick jobs I apply for (Im lucky to be in a in-demand job so I can be picky) and if Id really have no choice for a job, Id move closer (Im by no means attached to my house, its just a house). It sounds like you cant, either. Of course they are. 8 oil changes a year, $320. The only time Ive ever gotten stuck in traffic in my commute is when theres a wreck, and everyone decides to exit in one lump. I go to my office two days a week and leave my French bulldog home alone for 12 hours. The only thing that would slow me down was if the drawbridge was up (Seriously, a drawbridge on a major freeway). Start looking for something closer. If I took the metro, the trip would be more expensive though it would take approximately the same amount of time, and I wouldnt be able to sleep and the process wouldnt be as pleasant: the commuter train has outlets at each seat, a bathroom or two, and food and drinks are allowed (even adult beverages if you are not disruptive). With my next job, my commute was only 30 minutes on a highway with very little traffic, and it was SO much better. It really helped me rule out some areas that were lovely and that I had enjoyed visiting on weekends but were misery to get to after work. I choose to drive. Frances O'Grady of the Trades Union Congress, which published the figures,. If OP (or anyone else) doesnt feel comfortable taking it, its not really very cool to try and push her into doing it.
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